Flame Linux

[Martincito]

Has somebody test it?
It is faster on Linux than on Tezro?
How about the price?

[Vympel]

Stranger, today in the site of discreet (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=6086486&linkID=6086398) and the limitations of the PC (bandwith), 2K suite is 12bits and others (SD/HD) not, why? Im not user of FFI

[higginba]

they might be using fancier video hardware on the 2k suite, but the more honest answer is "marketing."

[Enog]

Poor programing and tezro's better hardware.

Anyway I beleive flame on linux is very highly priced, could be wrong, but heard......

[Silvatooth]

Around 40k for a flinux I think

[Enog]

Missing a Zero in there I heard. Just hoping I'm wrong but reliable source.....

[Silvatooth]

Seriously? I heard it was going to be under 50k.
Wow.

[Enog]

I'll dig a little deeper over the next few days and try to find out...

[ultimind]

Flint on linux is in the 70k range...with FLAME on linux being more like $200k

[patdawg]

Flint on linux is in the 70k range...with FLAME on linux being more like $200k.

The $200k doesn't sound too off the mark. Flame on Tezro will cost you upwards of that, and the dualcore Linux should be loads faster than the SGI.

[blumediaprojekt]

hmmmm....... when i tested flint on linux in one of the backrooms at nab this year i found it to be much less interactive than even an octane2 v12. I put 4 layers of 1080p into action and ALL interactivity was gone. This is definitely something Im not used to when working on an octane2 v12. Unless they figured out how to pimp that gfx hardware better, I would wait it out.

[imported_johnmont]

There is most certainly a wall you hit when using flint and high resoultion imagery. I like to use high res stuff for graphic projects and without proxy mode, interactivity really bogs down on flint.

Not allowed to talk publicly about flame yet, except to say its fast.....


hmmmm....... when i tested flint on linux in one of the backrooms at nab this year i found it to be much less interactive than even an octane2 v12. I put 4 layers of 1080p into action and ALL interactivity was gone. This is definitely something Im not used to when working on an octane2 v12. Unless they figured out how to pimp that gfx hardware better, I would wait it out.

[blumediaprojekt]

and that interactivity is one of the things that makes flame so great............

[Martincito]

I went to a demo last thursday at NAB Post New York and Flame on Linux looks very fast and the interactivity was excellent. The guy put together 20 layers in HD and the flame moved fast. He also tried the edge-rays Sapphire spark, that usually is very slow, and the interactivity was excellent, almost real time every time that he changed the parameters.

[ultimind]

Discreet demos are very highly tuned to the specific product to make it look amazing. It's when you get a backroom demo for yourself and get to throw your own layers in there that you see the real speed of the product. Don't ever take the discreet demos as being realisitic.

[-k]

Discreet demos are very highly tuned to the specific product to make it look amazing. It's when you get a backroom demo for yourself and get to throw your own layers in there that you see the real speed of the product. Don't ever take the discreet demos as being realisitic.

I think its not that easy. Demos are usually "tuned" to look amazing concerning features (i.e. tracker does not fail, keying works with a few clicks, etc.) but an HD layer is an HD layer and if you move twenty of them it should not really matter whether those are discreets or your own.
In general I think you are right though about being sceptical.

-k

[angus]

that kind of makes it sound like that Demo's like that are somehow unique to Discreet, most unfair IMO. Every product demo is obviously designed to show the strengths that it has and to skirt over the weak areas. The real skill that experience of attending demo's should get you is the ability to notice what ISN'T said and to find out afterwards WHY it wasn't said.

I actually beleive that Discreet demo's acurately reflect the product way better than most, some are utterly shameless in regards to the issues that they try and disguise.

Angus [/quote]

[patdawg]

Discreet demos are very highly tuned to the specific product to make it look amazing. It's when you get a backroom demo for yourself and get to throw your own layers in there that you see the real speed of the product. Don't ever take the discreet demos as being realisitic.

I think it's a bit unfair to suggest that discreet is alone in the practice of tuning their demos...everyone does it, and it's a little difficult to fake a demo with 20 HD layers. Even if they were using proxies how would that not be representative of a typical HD workflow? Aside from keying, or roto who doesn't use proxies?

[cnoellert]

The way I hear it Tezro's going to be end-of-life before the end of the year because of technical specs changing in the EU and the states.

In which case there won't really be a choice of SGI or IBM...

[flameop]

can you elaborate on "tech specs" ? you mean the tezro won't be supported.? or there will be another new machine??

trying to decide on an upgrade path at the moment..

[foetz]

Discreet demos are very highly tuned to the specific product to make it look amazing. It's when you get a backroom demo for yourself and get to throw your own layers in there that you see the real speed of the product. Don't ever take the discreet demos as being realisitic.

as every company does :wink:

[foetz]

trying to decide on an upgrade path at the moment..

i would definitely suggest to wait :!:

[icarus]

Just had the flame guy, installing our Tezro system. Tells me that the Linux system will be more expense than the Tezro, something to do with additional fibre channel support systems, therefore more hardware, more money... Software price is the same.

[dekekincaid]

Just had the flame guy, installing our Tezro system. Tells me that the Linux system will be more expense than the Tezro, something to do with additional fibre channel support systems, therefore more hardware, more money... Software price is the same.It's only more expensive if you need 2k support. HD and SD cost the same, but 2k needs 2 stones under linux in order to playback.

[morey]

I've been demo-ing flame on linux for the past week. Did some side-by-side comparisons with the old flame on Octane2, and the linux was consistently 3 or 4 times faster in SD. Haven't done any HD work, yet. Has a few bugs, some seem to be software bugs, others are related to linux, nothing too bad. Price is around 125K U.S. with 2 stones. We were considering the Tezro, but as many here have been saying, it's on its way out.

Cheers.

[robc]

hi,

thanks for the details,
one question, though, are you sure about the price???
seems pretty low to me, i´ve heared, it is similar to a tezro systems price, maybe even slightly higher due to 2 stones w hardware raid...


ciao
robert