whats the best keying module in flame?

[jonhollis]

Hi all - a wide ranging question here. i have found all the keyers, over the years, to be quite different to each other - in approach and results. im interested in peoples opinions as to which is the one they would always use first, which one is the 'daddy'. i tend to use the master keyer in the keyer module most of the time - but im having little luck with the shot im trying to do at this moment.

thanks

jh

[paul_round]

Hi Jon, have to say I generally use the master keyer, but also use keylight quite a lot.

Paul

[jonhollis]

Hi Paul
do you mean the one within the keyer or the big fancy standalone one in batch.

jh

ps i do like keylight and primatte on shake, got great results with that in the past.

[paul_round]

Master keyer within main keyer, not the modular keyer node in Batch, I personally find it's too much of a faff, I'd rather construct a batch setup with several master keys than build within the modular.

Paul

[majik]

The most used is definitly the master keyer, but for things like pulling keys off artwork / packs and other unkeyable things I find in the modular keyer to be quite helpful. If you have a good even blue/green scene then the master keyer gives a lovely natural key, esp. on hair etc, but for dirty noisy screens I often find the incisiveness of the mod. keyer to be better.

[darren22446]

Hi all - there is an article on Fxguide where they compare all the Flame keyers great read even gets really technical if you're into that, summary

Master Keyer - great on well lit green/blue screens, quick setup with good-great results - using Patches to clean up shadows etc is awesome.

Modular Keyer - great for difficult/creative keying, slow setup with sometimes unbelievably great results - my personal preference simply because of the ability to sample noise, this gives you the least amount of ringing edges even with HD footage shot on HDCAM -with its inherant compression

Colour Warper - Great for selective colour keying - colour replacing etc sharpest edge tool for colour range - moderate setup, good-great results

my preference for transparent type keys, glass windows reflections is to use Keylight in Shake

cheers

[jonhollis]

Hi

im curious to see those quicvktimes- do you know where they are on FX guide.

jh

[darren22446]

Hi - the articles are called Keyer Strategies - Part 1 to 3 if you type in "Keyer Strategies" into the search it will find them all

under the Flame Tips there is an article called Modular Keyer Tips and there is also an awesome little quicktime the link at the top of that article.

cheers

[t]

hey Jon,

modular & or keylight, but Shake's keylight seems a little better & / or faster. . . .

t

[jonhollis]

just out of interest...

i have been struggling with these keys - i have tried modular keyer, master keyer - diamond keyer on combustion and then i tried CFC Keylight in Shake and bingo a perfect key with minimal effort - fantastic - it literally blew away all the other options. unfortunately i dont know why - but it did it.