Can Apple Compete

[Mason]

I’ve been using shake for a few years now and just upgraded to adobe CS5 all I have to say is wow after effects is just amazing. The thing about AE I’ve been the most impressed by is the rodo brush, that thing is so freaking great. I thing it blows away the rodo on shake. witch started me thinking (and that’s rarely a good thing)

Since the time Shake stopped being sold by apple I’ve been hearing rumors that apple would be releasing a new high end compositor. I know shake was the standard for compositing for a long time, but when I look at after effects I can’t help but wonder if it would even be posable for apple to compete in the composing world. It becomes harder to see apple competing in this arena if I look at other nodel compositors like Nuke or Conduit and I still haven’t touched on Autodesk.

I guess the point of all this is; can Apple compete in heightened composting agin? What do you think?

[guillem ramisa]

Hi Mason,
Shake is still a great compositing package especially for it’s price, Ron Brinkmann (and others) did a great job there. There are still big studios with pipelines built around Shake (although it might be custom builds of the source code). Anyways it’s the “grandfather” of compositors but it’s getting a little old and has a little hard to compete in the new world of linear workflow, EXR files, 3d workspaces etc etc. The app that has taken over almost completely is Nuke and I’m guessing the competition will have a real hard time to catch up.
Anyways don’t wait on a new pro compositing package from Apple, that’s just a myth. Apples focus is pointed elsewhere and they do it good so I would be extremely surprised to see anything like a comp package from them. Not going to happen.
After Effects is nice and has some great features, like the rotobrush that you mentioned. But it’s a layer based, great for fast stuff and motion graphics but maybe not so great for hardcore compositing, I prefer something node based for that. Think that most compers want it that way too.
So the short answer to your question, Shake is still good, you can do lots with it. But don’t expect anything new from Apple. The new kid on the block is Nuke. That’s where you will find the future IMHO.

[Anonymous]

@Keyser_Soze 32083 wrote:

Hi Mason,
Shake is still a great compositing package especially for it’s price, Ron Brinkmann (and others) did a great job there. There are still big studios with pipelines built around Shake (although it might be custom builds of the source code). Anyways it’s the “grandfather” of compositors but it’s getting a little old and has a little hard to compete in the new world of linear workflow, EXR files, 3d workspaces etc etc. The app that has taken over almost completely is Nuke and I’m guessing the competition will have a real hard time to catch up.
Anyways don’t wait on a new pro compositing package from Apple, that’s just a myth. Apples focus is pointed elsewhere and they do it good so I would be extremely surprised to see anything like a comp package from them. Not going to happen.
After Effects is nice and has some great features, like the rotobrush that you mentioned. But it’s a layer based, great for fast stuff and motion graphics but maybe not so great for hardcore compositing, I prefer something node based for that. Think that most compers want it that way too.
So the short answer to your question, Shake is still good, you can do lots with it. But don’t expect anything new from Apple. The new kid on the block is Nuke. That’s where you will find the future IMHO.

I know Shake is still great and I just started using Nuke because that’s the became the new standard altho I think if Smoke had a lower price point no one would ever use anything else.
That said you absolutely correct about this not being apples focus. Apple has gone my towards the consumer market and even the least powerful most pice of crap node based compositor (sadly) would never fall into the consumer space.

[pixelmonk]

“”grandfather” of compositors”
Err, I think you’ll find that title belongs to Quantels Harry, or Cineon, (if you’re talking film)

[guillem ramisa]

@mason: Even if Smoke had a lower price i’m not sure that Nuke and Smoke
would compete, they have pretty different approaches when it comes to workflow and focus.

@Paul: You are correct. But I was more referring to the desktop side of things, and yes it is not grandfather there either, it just feels like it 🙂 That is also why I put quotation marks around grandfather. I should probably have written something else more true to facts. Wont happen again 🙂

[guillem ramisa]

@mason: Even if Smoke had a lower price i’m not sure that Nuke and Smoke
would compete, they have pretty different approaches when it comes to workflow and focus.

@Paul: You are correct. But I was more referring to the desktop side of things, and yes it is not grandfather there either, it just feels like it 🙂 That is also why I put quotation marks around grandfather. I should probably have written something else more true to facts. Wont happen again 🙂

[Anonymous]

@Keyser_Soze 32088 wrote:

@mason: Even if Smoke had a lower price i’m not sure that Nuke and Smoke
would compete, they have pretty different approaches when it comes to workflow and focus.

You Don’t think Smoke and Nuke would compete? I know there workflow is very different, but man after playing the the trial I don’t think I want an other work flow. that said I love Nuke, but if I had $14,995.00 burning a hole in my pocket I don’t think I’d ever mess with Nuke or Shake.

[Romeo Reidl]

@CleverNameStudios 32091 wrote:

You Don’t think Smoke and Nuke would compete? I know there workflow is very different, but man after playing the the trial I don’t think I want an other work flow. that said I love Nuke, but if I had $14,995.00 burning a hole in my pocket I don’t think I’d ever mess with Nuke or Shake.

Smoke and Nuke complement each other. They do not compete whatsoever.

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