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I’ve combed the Shake 4.1 manual, and there appears to be no way to degrain footage, short of defocusing it.
Anyone have a suggestion for the cleanest way to degrain cineon footage?
I suggest you rent a plugin from the furnace package. This can be cost effective if you only plan to use the plugin for one day or so.
Is that the only solution? Nothing exists within Shake?
degraining (at the most advanced level) is strictly an optical flow process. Shake 4.1 does have an optical flow engine that is tuned to master, ramp, re-size and speed clips. If you could get into the nuts and bolts of shake you could most certainly create your own degrainer with an optical flow engine. But that takes time and I strongly recomend using Foundry plug-ins for smaller shows. If you’ve got the budget go after PFclean from Pixel Farm.
Shake’s median filter is a good place to start when you need quick degraining.
For more advanced degraining, I would try Furnace (as suggested above) or Neat Video (AE plug-in) or Neat Image (stand alone version, but more of a pain in the neck to use for long image sequences…). Both of them are “non-shake” solutions, but the results are so good you will probably don’t mind the trip outside of shake… 🙂
— Xavier
There is also a degrain tool included in the Sapphire plug-ins suite.
The Tinderbox Shake plugin for degrainis the least expensive.
Does anyone have any experience with these three, and how does Tinderbox’s degrain compare?I have not worked with the tinderbox plugins but I have worked with Furnace. The package performed exactly as we needed. When degraining you should be very thoughtful about your endproduct. What film stock was the original image shot on? Different outputs require different levels of results. If it’s a 8bit SD comercial or DVD you may not need the most precise results. If you’re working in anything larger you should use the best tools you can get. Especialy if your after a film record out.
Remember that “grain” is film and “noise” is video. Median filters are great for removing “noise” out of a video image. But may not provide the results you want for a film image.From my experience I trust The Foundry and Pixel Farm. There are lots of great products elsewhere but these two have been performing very well.
I tried the Sapphire degrain the other day and wasn’t terribly impressed. Just seemed like a blur-everything-except-the-edges type of deal.
Does anyone out there have a Shake degrain script….?
film101 wrote:Does anyone out there have a Shake degrain script….?I havent got a shake script but have Fusion script with explanation, and shake screen grab
This is just one one way of degraining(sames as saphhire but you have more control of colour spaces and channels if you DIY).
http://miafx.com/23/tiki-index.php?page=Degrain&highlight=degrain#attachments
its more than addaquate if its for pre-treating a plate for keying, otherwise an optical flow tool or if theres no movement in the area of the plate that needs degraining try avaraging frames.—
RafalAccording to the manual you can do a bit of degraining in the FileIn Node(page119 of the PDF manual):
Blend
Averages neighboring frames together to create in-between frames that are a
combination of both to soften the strobing effect that can result from slow motion
effects. If the retimeMode parameter has been set to Blend, three additional
parameters appear underneath…..
• range: Controls how many frames are blended together to create the final result. For
example, if you want to extend a source clip of 20 frames to 40 frames, each source
frame is applied to two output frames. With a range of 2, it is applied in four output
frames, resulting in more blending. If you apply only this value with no other
modifications, Shake inserts repetitions of neighboring frames to help you with
degraining……
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