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Hey, nice screensavers… javascript:emoticon(‘:lol:’)
UWeltopo wrote:Well but is a $80,000 difference worth it? We can all agree that Smoke is more mature than FCP. However like someone said, that difference is narrowing with each version.Plus with that $80,000 you can buy FCP+Shake+Xserve(s)+XRAID running a SAN
and a couple of G5’s+some HD 10Bit-12Bit cards and still have money to invite your girlfriend to dinner 😆Don’t think of it as a comparison between systems, think of it as a comparison between clients. It’s really more about a client’s perception than the actual capabilities of the systems. To use an automotive analogy, consider the difference between someone who buys a Honda and pours $30K of aftermarket performance equipment into it vs. someone who buys a $55K BMW. The Honda may beat the pants off the BMW, but that won’t really matter to the guy who bought the Beemer. And the guy with the Honda will think people are crazy for spending more on a BMW when he can blow their doors off. Different customers, different mindsets.
Most clients don’t have the technical knowledge to know what’s “better” about discreet systems, they’re just going on reputation and brand recognition. Since FCP is the new kid on the block, it will take awhile before it’s accepted as a tool capable of high end work.
Don’t underestimate the value of name cachet. The name discreet will bring in high end clients that would never consider doing anything with FCP. It may be an uninformed perception on the part of the client, but brand names do still carry a lot of weight. It still seems to work for Avid, and I personally can’t stand them. To an editor or compositing artist, the price difference may not seem justified, but to laypeople (non-technical people) in the industry, it is still the case that the name discreet=high end (whether the additional expense is justified or not).
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I agree name is important, however Discreet is not the industry source of innovation anymore. It seems tha they have been stuck in the past for quite some time now, besides when it comes to brand nobody exhales more class, cult and prestige than Apple.
So to put it in cars terms, Apple is Porsche 8)
eltopo wrote:when it comes to brand nobody exhales more class, cult and prestige than Apple.So to put it in cars terms, Apple is Porsche 8)
I have to disagree with you. Although I own a dual 2GHz G5 myself, and I’m certainly no Apple-basher, I think there are many, many people who would disagree with your statement. In fact, I think there are easily as many Apple detractors as there are fans.
My personal beef with Apple is that they have a habit of crippling their systems with too few expansion slots, paltry standard RAM configurations and a lack of support for professional graphics adapters.
I’m also not thrilled with their continuing trend of distancing themselves from SCSI. I will be very unhappy if there are no SAS (serial attached SCSI) solutions for G5 systems once they become available. Since SAS is cable and controller compatible with SATA, I think Apple should offer systems with the option of integrated SAS, which will support both SAS and SATA drives.
Finally, I hope Apple incorporates PCI express into the next major revision to the G5 (not the pathetic speed “nudge” they just announced).
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Quote:My personal beef with Apple is that they have a habit of crippling their systems with too few expansion slots, paltry standard RAM configurations and a lack of support for professional graphics adapters.I’m also not thrilled with their continuing trend of distancing themselves from SCSI. I will be very unhappy if there are no SAS (serial attached SCSI) solutions for G5 systems once they become available. Since SAS is cable and controller compatible with SATA, I think Apple should offer systems with the option of integrated SAS, which will support both SAS and SATA drives.
Finally, I hope Apple incorporates PCI express into the next major revision to the G5 (not the pathetic speed “nudge” they just announced).
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Well I think you are right, Apple is not perfect. I do a lot of 3d stuff and suffer Apple’s lack of attention on this matter. Apparently they decided to solve this and began recruiting experts on OpenGL stuff. Hopefully they can come up with a better implementation. About SAS I think that support will be there I guess through a third party, however with Steve at the helm you never know…
About the other point, Apple’s embracing standards, I still don’t know why they don’t support the professional cards. I though it was that ATI and Nvidia didn’t want to do it, but I read that it was in fact Apple that wasn’t interested on supporting them. Apparently, after entering with full force on the pro video/2d industry, their next step will be 3D
eltopo wrote:Well I think you are right, Apple is not perfect. I do a lot of 3d stuff and suffer Apple’s lack of attention on this matter. Apparently they decided to solve this and began recruiting experts on OpenGL stuff. Hopefully they can come up with a better implementation. About SAS I think that support will be there I guess through a third party, however with Steve at the helm you never know…About the other point, Apple’s embracing standards, I still don’t know why they don’t support the professional cards. I though it was that ATI and Nvidia didn’t want to do it, but I read that it was in fact Apple that wasn’t interested on supporting them. Apparently, after entering with full force on the pro video/2d industry, their next step will be 3D
I think OS X would make the ideal 3D platform–great support for media codecs, the advantages of a UNIX-based foundation (for scripting, networking, etc.), great driver support, and a well-developed user interface.
I’ve also read about Apple’s focus on OpenGL, and I really hope this marks the start of an initiative to get into the 3D market.
A quad G5 with professional graphics running apps that can address over 2GB RAM would be like the second coming of SGI.
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eltopo wrote:I agree name is important, however Discreet is not the industry source of innovation anymore. It seems tha they have been stuck in the past for quite some time now, besides when it comes to brand nobody exhales more class, cult and prestige than Apple.So to put it in cars terms, Apple is Porsche 8)
Huh? Obviously you didn’t attend NAB. And Apple is more of a really nice Volkswagen than a Porsche. Maybe a translucent Beetle? smoke-tezro still whomps anything apple can throw at it.
Final Cut is a great system for a 16 year old kid editing skateboard videos at home and giving DVDs of it to his little buddies. But once you grow out of making skate videos (Seems we all came from that background, hehe) You really need to take a look at how much better smoke is. I’ve run smoke on a dual 360 Octane2 and for doing uncompressed 4:4:4 video work it blows my dual 2ghz G5 running FCP out of the water. “RT Extreme” or whatever they call it now in FCP is just a marketing gimmick. You don’t see any RT 4:4:4 coming out of Apple now do you? At NAB they were only able to show CUTS ONLY 4:4:4 PLAYBACK (not even editing) in HD on FCP. How long have we been able to do this in smoke? MANY years!
Apple = Hyundai…it’s economical, reliable to get you around town…
Discreet = Ferrari…it’ll kick the crap out of anything you put next to it.FYI- those women at the booth swiping cards are not hired for shows, they actually work for the company. you should see the headquarters in montreal… it looks like a runway.
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visualZ wrote:FYI- those women at the booth swiping cards are not hired for shows, they actually work for the company. you should see the headquarters in montreal… it looks like a runway.😀
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Everyone keeps telling me how amazingly beautiful the women are in Montreal… Guess I should make the effort to visit sometime.
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