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Anyone heard anything about combustion 5. There was no info about a new version at siggraph. I also heard rumors Autodesk is going to stop combustion and will replace it with Toxic. Have you heard anything or have an opinion to share ?
I don’t think they want to leave the way open to Adobe.
I hope that next version is a universal binary for Mac or that if in fact its replaced by Toxic there will be Mac version.
hello,
Toxik is not meant to be a replacement for C*
imho C* has a version or two before it reaches a dead end as far as competing with other apps.b
Isn’t the latest update (4.0.4) for MAc Universal Binary compatible?
MiKaEL_T wrote:Anyone heard anything about combustion 5. There was no info about a new version at siggraph. I also heard rumors Autodesk is going to stop combustion and will replace it with Toxic. Have you heard anything or have an opinion to share ?The price range difference has a huge difference don’t you think?
I doubt that they will leave a open space for Adobe After Effects, besides C* has a large user base and has a accessible price so I see no reason to stop it’s development.
And Toxik still has a long way to become a useful compositing app if you ask me.
the only information i got at ibc was the there is no real development for c* at the moment, cause most of the dev guys are working on toxik.
so we will see what will happen to c*.
nanuk
how could they possibly continure with combustion if they are releasing a stand alone version of Toxic? that would be rediculous. It’s not like there is a established user base for toxic like there is for Max and Maya.
sidewalksurfing wrote:how could they possibly continure with combustion if they are releasing a stand alone version of Toxic? that would be rediculous. It’s not like there is a established user base for toxic like there is for Max and Maya.How much this stand alone version will cost?
For what I’ve heard from a discreet reseller is about six times the current price of Combustion. Which would be something around the price range of Fusion and Nuke, and even Shake in a recent past.
To simply put, different market shares. Different products for different needs.
Could be that Autodesk wants to leave the low end market and concentrate on the high end. they probably see too much competition fom Adobe and Apple. Perhaps they could sell Combustion to the latter
It’s unfortunate that there always has to be such wild speculation with Discreet products. Too bad there is no info coming from them. I’m a committed Combustion user but I always have the sneaking suspicion that I’ll end up having to use another package in the future. The demo I got of Toxic showed that it was not near ready for prime time regardless of cost. My guess is that Discreet / Autodesk will release Combustion 5 and there will be some new stuff but there will also be some disappointments that other stuff isn’t fixed etc. That’s what happened with v4. Ultimately anti-climatic. My concern is stuff that is a problem doesn’t get fixed in a reasonable amount of time. I just got s Decklink card and Combustion won’t share it with other apps. It’s a real hinderence. Blackmagic says it’s Autodesk’s problem. How long will it be until that gets fixed? I’m afraid a long time or maybe never. That’s a shame. If I was using After Effects I don’t think I’d feel that way……….
deandec wrote:It’s unfortunate that there always has to be such wild speculation with Discreet products.Well to be blunt, there ARE no Discreet products anymore. The Autodesk assimilation is complete. Autodesk Flame. Autodesk Smoke. Autodesk Toxic. Autodesk Combustion. Get used to it.
Autodesk is similar to most other big software houses in that they do not publicly comment about future products.
It’s simple, really. Use Combustion 4 now if it fits your needs. If it ceases to do that, or if a potential future version does not meet your needs, find another tool that will. I know very few artists who limit themselves to dependence on one tool. Regardless, there’s very little you can do about whatever Autodesk chooses to do with Combustion, so don’t sit around worrying about it.
zolo wrote:deandec wrote:It’s unfortunate that there always has to be such wild speculation with Discreet products.Well to be blunt, there ARE no Discreet products anymore. The Autodesk assimilation is complete. Autodesk Flame. Autodesk Smoke. Autodesk Toxic. Autodesk Combustion. Get used to it.
Autodesk is similar to most other big software houses in that they do not publicly comment about future products.
It’s simple, really. Use Combustion 4 now if it fits your needs. If it ceases to do that, or if a potential future version does not meet your needs, find another tool that will. I know very few artists who limit themselves to dependence on one tool. Regardless, there’s very little you can do about whatever Autodesk chooses to do with Combustion, so don’t sit around worrying about it.
I totally agree with you. Autodesk is a big company in which the Media & Entertainment is one of the smaller divisions. If they see that Combustuion is more of a burden they will scrap it, period. Maybe they are reshaing their strategy towards the hig end making toxic a software version of Flame, who know the fact of the matter is that it all becomes to money.
As much as I would like a software Flame I don’t think they’ll do anything to jeopardize money being made on the high end. Combustion (AE, Shake etc.) hasn’t killed off the high end but if there was a $5k piece of software that could everything a Flame could then say goodbye to selling $150k systems. Combustion holds a nice niche. I won’t require that much for them to keep it viable. Hell, I don’t even really care about new features I’d just like it to be streamlined and debugged a bit. I would love to have that Flame desktop though…….. Can’t believe no one has ripped that concept off in some pc software. But all in all I now prefer working in Combustion over FLame but then again it’s been a while since I worked on one.
deandec wrote:As much as I would like a software Flame I don’t think they’ll do anything to jeopardize money being made on the high end. Combustion (AE, Shake etc.) hasn’t killed off the high end but if there was a $5k piece of software that could everything a Flame could then say goodbye to selling $150k systems. Combustion holds a nice niche. I won’t require that much for them to keep it viable. Hell, I don’t even really care about new features I’d just like it to be streamlined and debugged a bit. I would love to have that Flame desktop though…….. Can’t believe no one has ripped that concept off in some pc software. But all in all I now prefer working in Combustion over FLame but then again it’s been a while since I worked on one.Remember that Shake used to cost 5K?
I bet Shake’s replacement will be a great headache for AM&E. Apple makes its money from selling computers (and iPods I know) so they can create a realtime 2k compositor for 10K including hardware with 90% of the features Flame has plus some other things such as working with QT, final cut pro, photoshop on a single machine. Perhaps it will come as a whole package and you get an smoke+flame killer for 1/30 of the price…That would make me buy a Mac.
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