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dekekincaid wrote:really? Where have you been? Most studios are still using Shake just fine on linux. Apple has been updating it right along with the mac version just fine. Dreamworks, Cinesite, R&H, Weta, Framestore/CFC, etc… are all still using it on linux. The time for Apple to kill it on Linux has long since past(Irix version is even still being updated even though they don’t advertise it for sale)
-dekeok, looks like time for me to eat some humble pie! 😳 my info is outdated i see now… apple DID bring the price down from 10K to 5K for shake on linux with the release of 3.5 and continue dev altho i think that you have to admit even in light of the new pricing strategy and their (apple) other sales incentives to move to OSX the outlook is questionable for linux/irix down the road… i DO know for a fact that toxik will be replacing shake at a high profile efx (feature film) house that uses PC vers. of shake currently and the who knows with the future…
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eltopo wrote:Pixar is switching to a Macintosh Pipeline, and even though it is kind of a cheat, it shows what the macs are becoming.WHAT A SURPRISE 😆
you know who leads pixar? 😈joe44 wrote:the only reason i wanted to move to Combustion* from AVID Illusion was
the implied promise(wishful thinking on my part) that some of what was in
the old “cyborg” suite purchased by Discreet from 5D, would emerge in Combustion*. Maybe it will happen in TOXIC.
jpittsHopefully, because Cyborg REALY kicked ass!!!! But in reality I don´t think so. They also should replace the FFI timewarper with the Cyborg!
Quote:Now you talked alot of toxic as a shake killer – but it will still be a version one, and we all know it will take a hell of a long time to get useable – most applications is first worth looking at when in version 3 or something.Only time will tell, but discreet is a company mostly focused in compositing apps, and even Combustion in it’s version 1 was pretty usable if you ask me, with tools that you still can’t find in Shake.
Plus all, and I mean ALL big vfx studios in the world have at least a Flame in their set of tools, so discreet has enough feedback to do a decent product from scratch if they want to.
Shake is great no question about that but I don’t understand all this hype over it lately, maybe it’s just because it’s made by Apple since nobody used to talk about it when it was from Nothing Real, who knows…people really like to worship the mighty Apple.
Don’t get me wrong I like Apple products and use them as I use any other tool that solves my problem and deliveries what the client want when they want with the least amount of headache for me.
But thinking that Shake is acctually the best solution avaliable on the market it’s not being real with things, it still lacks of many or better tools that you can find in much cheaper tools.
As for Pixar switching their pipeline to Mac is kinda obvious, besides the fact that Steve Jobs is a major share holder there, they will act as a huge hands on action RD “department” for Apple products line and marketing strategies.
How about the other +1000 companies?
Do you really think that all of them will throw away all their Linux, Irix, Windows pipelines and custom built tools to get Macs?
And with DF5 with builtin real 3D enviroment plus a few more neat features and Nuke in the game things will get hotter in the following months even without discreet fighting for that piece of the pie.
Let’s see…
joe44 wrote:the only reason i wanted to move to Combustion* from AVID Illusion was the implied promise (wishful thinking on my part) that some of what was in the old “cyborg” suite purchased by Discreet from 5D, would emerge in Combustion*. Maybe it will happen in TOXIC.
jpittsI highly doubt that this will happen, they still need something to compete in the AE price range, and such implementation would raise the C* price which could imply in loosing users of the current C* market share.
deke wrote:Thats what everyone said Nuke was going to do, but only a handfull of places are actually using it. Nuke is going to kick shakes as, blah, blah blah, is all I heard. It’s been on windows and linux for a year and half the price of shake on linux up till a month ago.Maybe because DD haven’t done any real marketing of it so far, their site is scary, the info that you can find on the product is poor, no demo videos, nothing but those ugly looking screen grabs that don’t attract much attention with you ask me.
But their share is growing with time, and this might give them enough money, feedback, etc to create the necessary buzz to do a relaunch in the future.
Take Softimage XSI for instance, two years ago very few used to use it and many people don’t even knew it, now it’s shaking the 3D market.
deke wrote:I still don’t get how Discreet is going to move their 100k Mezzo/Strata package to compete with a 5k Shake.They already released the price range?
Cheers!
WHAT? XSI blows ass.
Softimage is actually loosing market share, for a long time it was very very expensive and even though it moved faster than alias into windows from an irix only solution, after it was aquired by Avid it became a mess with a ton of products that cross each other and offer to everything and nothing. i think it’s only strong market is Japan. Now they have reduced it’s prices but it might be to late.
Discreet learn the lesson!!!!
Toxik for Mac ❗ I demand it 😈
dg wrote:Plus all, and I mean ALL big vfx studios in the world have at least a Flame in their set of toolsYes and no. The companies doing full cgi (Disney, Dreamworks, Core, etc…) aren’t using Flame for film work. DD has them but only uses them for client sessions on the commercial side. The reliance on Flame and Inferno in vfx for the film side has gone down a lot these days. R&H is still using old Cineon’s for compositing and a lot of shake and digital fusion. Again, Inferno boxes are mainly for the commercial side.
dg wrote:But thinking that Shake is acctually the best solution avaliable on the market it’s not being real with things, it still lacks of many or better tools that you can find in much cheaper tools.I’m guessing your refering to Combustion. Yes it does have better tools but Combustion and AE are equally missing just as many tools. Which is why Shake and Combustion or Shake and Gfx are a pretty nice team. I would much rather do anything to do with paint in C* or Gfx and the rest in Shake.
dg wrote:As for Pixar switching their pipeline to Mac is kinda obvious, besides the fact that Steve Jobs is a major share holder there, they will act as a huge hands on action RD “department” for Apple products line and marketing strategies.I always have to bring this up. If what you said is true, then why didn’t Pixar switch over to Apple machines (or NeXT machines for that matter) a long time ago. Jobs has been running Pixar since the beginning and he took back over Apple 8 years ago. Pixar went from SGi’s to AMD linux machines for the Incredibles.
Quote:Yes and no. The companies doing full cgi (Disney, Dreamworks, Core, etc…) aren’t using Flame for film work.Maybe it’s because nobody needs a “million” hardware solution to basically “stack 3D passes and CC things” in a much more relaxed client approval process.
Quote:DD has them but only uses them for client sessions on the commercial side. The reliance on Flame and Inferno in vfx for the film side has gone down a lot these days. R&H is still using old Cineon’s for compositing and a lot of shake and digital fusion. Again, Inferno boxes are mainly for the commercial side.Yep, that is no news, but the commercial side will not cease to exist, in sessions with clients you need speed and even tho some softwares are fast nothing so far can be compared to discreet systems in that sense, maybe DS or Quantel systems, but I don’t know.
Quote:I’m guessing your refering to Combustion. Yes it does have better tools but Combustion and AE are equally missing just as many tools. Which is why Shake and Combustion or Shake and Gfx are a pretty nice team. I would much rather do anything to do with paint in C* or Gfx and the rest in Shake.I agree, but that doesn’t mean that Shake is the best solution on the market, you still have other apps at the level of Shake, don’t you agree?
Quote:I always have to bring this up. If what you said is true, then why didn’t Pixar switch over to Apple machines (or NeXT machines for that matter) a long time ago. Jobs has been running Pixar since the beginning and he took back over Apple 8 years ago. Pixar went from SGi’s to AMD linux machines for the Incredibles.In fact I don’t know, but it might be because Macs didn’t had the necessary apps to do what they need at the time, and Apple didn’t had the software that they have now, plus Apple was about to die a few years ago, just a guess.
Quote:Softimage is actually loosing market share, for a long time it was very very expensive and even though it moved faster than alias into windows from an irix only solution, after it was aquired by Avid it became a mess with a ton of products that cross each other and offer to everything and nothing. i think it’s only strong market is Japan. Now they have reduced it’s prices but it might be to late.I don’t know but I think that what set Softimage in a mess was the aquisition by Microsoft, plus they stay quiet for a long time doing a 3D app from scratch that is XSI, now it’s a complete and robust package. Their market remain strong in Japan as usual and I see XSI Groups growing all over the world, and this shows only one thing to me; their market share is growing.
Lately I just see people and companies switching over XSI, grab a look at XSIBase.com and CGTalk.com and you’ll see the amout of people that are switching to XSI, loads of ex users of Lightwave, Max, Maya, etc
This doesn’t mean it’s better or that it isn’t, such thing doesn’t exist, it might exist in you own personal opinion but that’s it, it just means that it’s not “dieing” like you told.
Hey Deke where did you got the price for Toxic/Mezzo/Strata?
Cheers!
Guest wrote:finally seen it, and well, some cleaver kids have really done their homework. Speaking with 10 years film/tv compositing experience, I can’t see why this wont completely slaughter all the opposition… just beautiful.I heared the same thing on IBC 2004. And what i heared rules!!!
SPRAWL wrote:…though i´m looking forward to cyborgs little brother scratch!Are you sure that it’s going to be THAT little? The specs (as far as they are made known to the public by now) and the interface look really impressive.
On a side track, and just out of curiosity: did anyone have the chance to taste the most redcent release (v7) of Sony’s XPRI?
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/xpri/products_DMWS02NL.html
http://www.digitalproducer.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=28223
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